Stone Temple Pilots Almost Fired Scott Weiland in 1994
Stone Temple Pilots were one of the biggest bands of the 90’s. By 1994 though the band contemplated firing singer Scott Weiland. Learn the full story below from Rock N’ Roll True Stories.
This is a story that one subscriber has asked me time and time again to do and i promised i would do it. Today, let’s talk about how Stone Temple Pilots during the peak of their popularity in the mid 90’s almost replaced Scott Weiland, but instead three quarters of the band formed a new group called Talk Show. Stay tuned for the full story. Talk show is a band that actually dated back to 1995 when the members of Stone Temple Pilots minus Scott Weiland, started writing music with Ten Inch Men singer Dave Coutts.
Coutts relationship with the members of STP dated back to the 80’s when he first met bassist Robert DeLeo in Huntington Beach according to an interview he gave to alternative nation, STP hadn’t yet existed at this point in time, but Robert was in a band with Scott Weiland. Called Swing. Coutts would tell the outlet “Swing opened up for us,. “At the time, Dean [DeLeo] and Eric [Kretz] were not part of the band.
I wish I could say they impressed me but I don’t remember much, except Scott was wearing sunglasses while he sang.” Prior to hooking up with the members of STP, Coutts band Ten Inch Men had some success during their decade long run signing to a label and putting out numerous releases, while also appearing on the film soundtrack for the movie Hellraiser. According to Coutts the band disbanded after getting an offer to open for Bon Jovi in Europe in 1993.
According to the singer, the opening slot would have cost his record label $23,000 and the company was more interested in putting that money into a Yes comeback album so they broke up.. As Ten Inch men folded in 1993, Stone Temple Pilots was one of the hottest new bands on the scene thanks to the success of their debut album Core, which was loathed by critics, but loved by radio, MTV and the general public seemed to love the band. STP further raised their profile with 1994’s Purple.
While the band had a lot to celebrate Weiland’s deeper dive into drug addiction hampered the band’s productivity in subsequent years. According to Coutz who would tell alternative nation “One year [after Ten Inch Men broke up], I was contacted by STP’s manager, Steve Stewart. He asked if I was interested in fronting the band. Yes, it overlapped with some of their tour dates, looking back. I am sure I was going to be their plan B. Or maybe just the thing to get Scott sober.” After meeting the guys from STP in 1994, preparations were made to fire Scott from the band. Coutts recorded a demo with STP in San Diego, a song titled “Hide.” But with Scott still in STP band members Robert and Dean DeLeo started compartmentalizing their material they had written. They had one group of songs they thought Scott could sing and another group of songs for Dave.
Eventually the members of STP decided to keep Weiland in the band, but following the release of the band’s album 1996 Tiny Music Songs From the Vatican Gift Shop, STP had to cancel tours due to Scott’s debilitating drug addiction. This forced STP to take a break and while Weiland went off and worked on a solo record and went to rehab, the remaining members of STP rejoined Coutts and formed the groupTalk Show. and that song Hide they had previously worked on would resurface.
According to Coutts Alternative Nation interview the band name talk show came from guitarist Dean DeLeo who thought everyone in the press was talking about the situation in STP with Scott Weiland. According to the same interview Dave claimed he suggested the name 14:59, one second short of 15 minutes, but the band didn’t like it, but someone from the band’s label Atlantic passed it onto Sugar Ray who used it as the name of their third record, which happened to go quadruple platinum.
Talk Show released their self titled debut album in September of 1997. It’s important to note that Stone Temple Pilots, Talk Show and Scott Weiland were all signed to Atlantic records. And even though behind the scenes label wasn’t happy about the situation, they decided to humor the members of STP and publicly talked up the releases from Talk Show and Scott Weiland’s solo record12 bar blues. Coutts would recount a story of how when they were mixing Talk Show’s album a rep form Atlantic came into the listen to the tracks and point blank asked Dean DeLeo when he would reunite with Scott Weiland.